Chris dutton

[Chris dutton]

Hi, I’m a new owner and am having trouble with the TRRegister site, do you have to Google the site every time you want to access it or is there an app?  
I’ve bought an absolute pig of a car, so does anyone know if there’s a garage or someone who works on TR6s in the Dover area. Thank you, Chris 

[Mk2 Chopper]

Hi Chris, 

Welcome to TR ownership. The site has fairly recently been moved so that could be the issue? No app, but maybe save the Web page to your favourites. 

Maybe list some of your issues and we can try and advise you? 

Gareth

[Mike C]

After the site reorganized I just saved the link to the new address- it works OK.

[Chris dutton]

Thanks for responding. I think I’ve sorted the register thing,( the app is for something different..).

I’ve possibly bought the worst tr in the country! My fault, the list is endless😩. Working on brakes, with not much luck. The 2year old Bosch fuel pump is making a LOT of noise, so I think there’s something wrong or it’s set up incorrectly. Ill post a video later.

thanks again👍

[John Morrison]

Hi Chris, welcome to our forum.

I doubt that you have bought the worst TR 6 in the country, probably one that just needs some TLC.

One thing at a time, you say the brakes have issues, what’s the problem, it’s a simple enough system?

John.

[Mk2 Chopper]

58 minutes ago, Chris dutton said:

Thanks for responding. I think I’ve sorted the register thing,( the app is for something different..).

I’ve possibly bought the worst tr in the country! My fault, the list is endless😩. Working on brakes, with not much luck. The 2year old Bosch fuel pump is making a LOT of noise, so I think there’s something wrong or it’s set up incorrectly. Ill post a video later.

thanks again👍

Well it sounds like you wanted a challenge 😂. Just work your way through that list of issues, and you'll get there. Takes time to understand the car you have and what's previously been done to it. 

Gareth

[kcsun]

Hi Chris and welcome, I am sure you do not have the worst TR and that it does just need some TLC. I do not know if you are used to "classic" cars or if you are new to the hobby but you have to remember a TR6 is 50 years old and was not made to the exacting standards of new cars so things like rattles, creaks, panel gaps, strange noises, drinking fluids etc are all part of the fun of owning a "classic"

I am sure that there is a wealth of knowledge on the site just waiting to help you

In the meantime please post a picture of your "pride and joy"

kc

[RogerH]

6 hours ago, John Morrison said:

Hi Chris, welcome to our forum.

I doubt that you have bought the worst TR 6 in the country, probably one that just needs some TLC.

One thing at a time, you say the brakes have issues, what’s the problem, it’s a simple enough system?

John.

He probably has.  

 

Stick with it Chris.

If you join the TR Regist before 1st June the Subs are £52. On the 1st of June the go up to £72 - be quick.

You have a couple of TRR groups down that way that may be able to help.   Kent  and South Downs

 

Roger

[Chris dutton]

 

Thanks everyone for your responses. 
I’ve joined the Tr Register and sorted out the app issue.

main issues are the brakes. Put on new servo and master brake cylinder, already has new shoes and pads, bled brakes twice, but still really spongy having to do a lot of pumping to get any brakes. Thinking there must be a leak but can’t see one.

Bosch fuel pump. Very,very noisy, and not just the hum…. I’ve uploaded a video ( I hope) can anyone see anything wrong with this set up please.

once again thanks everyone. (Hopefully the video has loaded) 

 

 

[Drewmotty]

I’d take that auxiliary filter out for a start Chris. Is that valve a full bore? It could be cavitating the pump. You’d be surprised how big suction lines need to be to feed even quite small pumps. 
How full is the tank? A low fuel level considerably reduces the head at the pump inlet. 
I don’t know what the standard TR6 arrangement is but normal practice is to fit a pressure filter after the pump to clean the liquid with a coarse strainer between tank and pump to sift out stray nuts, bolts and dead spiders and protect the pump. 

Edited May 21 by Drewmotty

[Chris Hale]

Chris

That sounds like fuel starvation to me.

First thing I would do is junk that plastic fuel filter there is no need for it.

why have a filter in front of a filter complete nonsense.

Go from the fuel cut off tap (that also looks a bit suspect to me ) to the main filter and see what that does.

If that does not work I would suggest you try bypassing that fuel tap and go straight to the main filter.

How old is the main filter?

 

[Chris Hale]

4 minutes ago, Drewmotty said:

don’t know what the standard TR6 arrangement is but normal practice is to fit a pressure filter after the pump to clean the liquid with a coarse strainer between tank and pump to sift out stray nuts, bolts and dead spiders and protect the pump. 

Filter before a Bosch pump you don’t need one after it

[Chris dutton]

Thanks everyone for your responses. 
I’ve joined the Tr Register and sorted out the app issue.

main issues are the brakes. Put on new servo and master brake cylinder, already has new shoes and pads, bled brakes twice, but still really spongy having to do a lot of pumping to get any brakes. Thinking there must be a leak but can’t see one.

Bosch fuel pump. Very,very noisy, and not just the hum…. I’ve uploaded a video ( I hope) can anyone see anything wrong with this set up please.

once again thanks everyone.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Chris Hale said:

Filter before a Bosch pump you don’t need one after it

 

[Chris dutton]

1 hour ago, Chris dutton said:

 

Thanks everyone for your responses. 
I’ve joined the Tr Register and sorted out the app issue.

main issues are the brakes. Put on new servo and master brake cylinder, already has new shoes and pads, bled brakes twice, but still really spongy having to do a lot of pumping to get any brakes. Thinking there must be a leak but can’t see one.

Bosch fuel pump. Very,very noisy, and not just the hum…. I’ve uploaded a video ( I hope) can anyone see anything wrong with this set up please.

once again thanks everyone.

 

 

1 hour ago, Chris Hale said:

Filter before a Bosch pump you don’t need one after it

 

[Rogcastle]

Hi Chris

Drewmotty is right, get rid of the plastic filter and replace it with a coarse filter and have a fine filter after the pump. The reason is because the pump relies on gravity to get the fuel from the tank and you want to avoid any restrictions in pipe.  You also need to make sure you have a large bore fuel tap after the tank if you want one.

Looking at your clip it looks like your filter has been connected between the the Tank and the pump. This is incorrect as  it should be connected after the pump. Looking at the filter. I think it is a fine filter and restricting the flow of petrol to the pump and causing the noise. The position of the filter above the pump is correct so don't change it.

Best of luck. Apart from the fuel injection these cars are fairly is easy to work on.

Roger

 

[Chris Hale]

5 minutes ago, Rogcastle said:

Looking at your clip it looks like your filter has been connected between the the Tank and the pump. This is incorrect as  it should be connected after the pump

Sorry Roger that is not correct

The filter should be before the pump

Above pic from Revington website

and even better pic from Moss website

https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/en-gb/fuel-induction/tanks-pumps-pipes/pi-bosch-fuel-pump-kit-tr5-6-tgk125--gp

where you can see the high pressure hose coming off the pump to go to the PRV

[Waldi]

It is important to protect the pump against particles that could be sucked in from the tank. That’s what a suction filter does. 
A discharge filter would not harm (if the correct type is used and installed correctly), but not needed in my humble opinion.

The Triumph engineers designed it like this.

There is still a course nylon filter basket at:
- the PRV inlet.
- MU-inlet and
- Injector inlets

(if still present in your car).

Waldi

PS: My car cavitated because of a partially blocked tank-outlet, so if removing the plastic (redundant) filter does not solve it, that is worth checking.

[Rogcastle]

Chris if you look carefully at the Remington picture you can clearly see the pipe going from the tank to the Pump and not the filter,

Roger

[Mike C]

I'm a believer in giving any pump the best suction conditions possible. I have no filter between the tank and the pump and my layout has six diameters of straight pipe  into to the pump inlet (a learning from a previous life).

 

[Chris Hale]

Bosch pumps don’t suck though that’s why they are mounted below the tank and the filter sits on top of the pump

Edited May 22 by Chris Hale

[Chris Hale]

2 hours ago, Rogcastle said:

Chris if you look carefully at the Remington picture you can clearly see the pipe going from the tank to the Pump and not the filter,

Roger

Below is an extract from Revington’s fitting instructions 

NOTE 5: Also consider hose RTR4048 from the pump kit to the Pressure Relief Valve (PRV) which helps to reduce resonance. Resonance is when the PRV fluctuates at a resonant frequency with the pulses generated by the fuel pump and an unpleasant droning noise is produced. This phenomenon is unlikely to occur with the original Lucas pump but is very likely when an axial (Bosch style) pump is fitted. A longer soft hose RTR4048 from the pump to the original PRV usually cures this (a stainless Steel braided hose will make it worse) but brings with it another bit of bad news. As modern fuels are much more volatile than older fuels they can permeate through rubber hose and create an unpleasant smell in the boot. If this is unacceptable there is a definitive solution to all this. We supply a modern PRV, part number RTR4456K which works on a different principle to the original type of PRV and does not resonate. The good news is that with PRV RTR4456K fitted, a Teflon lined Stainless Steel braided hose (either 215642SS or RTR4048-1) can be used from the pump to the PRV which will greatly reduce petrol smells in the boot.

Advising which is in there opinion the best hose to run from the kit as supplied to to PRV therefore the pipe from the tank must be going to the filter first

[Chris dutton]

thanks everyone. I’ll do as suggested, my next thought was to remove that plastic pump. I can’t work out how to respond to individual posts, so please forgive the messy topic

 

14 hours ago, Chris Hale said:

Chris

That sounds like fuel starvation to me.

First thing I would do is junk that plastic fuel filter there is no need for it.

why have a filter in front of a filter complete nonsense.

Go from the fuel cut off tap (that also looks a bit suspect to me ) to the main filter and see what that does.

If that does not work I would suggest you try bypassing that fuel tap and go straight to the main filter.

How old is the main filter?

 

 

7 hours ago, Mike C said:

I'm a believer in giving any pump the best suction conditions possible. I have no filter between the tank and the pump and my layout has six diameters of straight pipe  into to the pump inlet (a learning from a previous life).

 

 

[TR NIALL]

8 hours ago, Rogcastle said:

Chris if you look carefully at the Remington picture you can clearly see the pipe going from the tank to the Pump and not the filter,

Roger

But they also have a small glass filter fitted between Tank and Pump I’ve used something similar (Glass not Plastic) but have drilled out the inlet/outlet to give it a better flow and I do agree the larger Filter is fitted after the Pump.

[stuart]

17 hours ago, Chris Hale said:

Filter before a Bosch pump you don’t need one after it

Absolutely, Big Sytec filter first.

Stuart.

[trchris]

Agree filter pre pump but if you decide to fit one after then make sure it’s a high pressure filter as the one before doesn’t need to be 

Chris