Members Only Forum

[Ecosse]

Is there any possibility that a Members Only Forum could be set up on the TRR website in order that all TRR members may have sight of topics raised by members. Currently members are not permitted to raise possible contentious issues on this Forum site and have either go through, GLs, RCs or contact the MT personally, which means that nobody can have an overview of the situation of what other members are thinking.

I was at Doune at the weekend for the Historic Hillclimb, which hosted the TR Register Scottish Weekend, where there were unhappy TRR members regarding recent developments within the TRR.

The only way to stop rumour and disinformation is to have an open channel of communication, given that the MT agree that recent developments could have been communicated more effectively.

Cliff

[Chris Glasbey]

When will the Members Area Forum be set up please John or Dave B. ......so that members can communicate as they did with Alec's Inn.

Do I need to write a letter to my Group Leader?

Chris 😐

[Misfit]

I seem to be missing something? At the AMM it was agreed by a vote, given to all members, and of those  members that voted, the majority voted in favour to have an open forum. That’s strongly supported by member of this forum.

Was that not clear that the members only area referred to as Alec’s Inn would go as all areas were to be open to all. 

It’s not that I feel the moderators will do a poor job if they are permitted.  Its just that I’m personally disappointed that the forum has been passed over to those  moderators, and now ceases to be my TR Register members forum, just a forum that is funded by the TR Register with sponsorship.

I observed that Included in the pre vote discussions regarding the forums future were relevant costs, now after the vote went in favour of an open forum, It now seem there are many of those same members are asking the TR Register to set up a separate members only area, which we had, and I’m guessing will involve yes additional costs.

If we are to accept that it’s a majority of those that vote determine the that outcome, surely that must apply across the board?

 

Edited May 20 by Misfit

[OldBob]

8 minutes ago, monty said:

Will be seeing out my membership until renewal date & then off to Club Triumph. If I have to leave the insurance scheme then they will lose any kickback from that as well as the £72! How we have let this Club go like this over the past few years is beyond me. Very sad & a bunch of managers that ignore the situation!

 

TR Insurance have responded to this question asked by other TR owners I know - the Insurance is / will be available to non-Register members. They're a business - and they want yours!

Bob

 

[stuart]

1 hour ago, Misfit said:

I seem to be missing something? At the AMM it was agreed by a vote, given to all members, and of those  members that voted, the majority voted in favour to have an open forum. That’s strongly supported by member of this forum.

Was that not clear that the members only area referred to as Alec’s Inn would go as all areas were to be open to all. 

It’s not that I feel the moderators will do a poor job if they are permitted.  Its just that I’m personally disappointed that the forum has been passed over to those  moderators, and now ceases to be my TR Register members forum, just a forum that is funded by the TR Register with sponsorship.

I observed that Included in the pre vote discussions regarding the forums future were relevant costs, now after the vote went in favour of an open forum, It now seem there are many of those same members are asking the TR Register to set up a separate members only area, which we had, and I’m guessing will involve yes additional costs.

If we are to accept that it’s a majority of those that vote determine the that outcome, surely that must apply across the board?

 

You dont understand Derek, yes we all voted for an open forum away from the main site, of course we did or lots of contributors from across the world would have been shut out which went against the whole ethos of the forum.

The point that is trying to be made is for those of us that are still subscription paying members would like a way of communicating to the MT and discussing with other members matters to do with the club which even in the days of Alecs inn wasnt very successful because apart from Mick Forey no one from the MT would talk to us openly. Dont lecture me about communicating through my group leader or the SW coordinator as our GL doesnt attend GL meetings and Ive never ever seen whoever is SW coordinator. As to emailing any of the MT thats not an open discussion method with other club members is it?

Stuart.

[TR NIALL]

11 minutes ago, stuart said:

You dont understand Derek, yes we all voted for an open forum away from the main site, of course we did or lots of contributors from across the world would have been shut out which went against the whole ethos of the forum.

The point that is trying to be made is for those of us that are still subscription paying members would like a way of communicating to the MT and discussing with other members matters to do with the club which even in the days of Alecs inn wasnt very successful because apart from Mick Forey no one from the MT would talk to us openly. Dont lecture me about communicating through my group leader or the SW coordinator as our GL doesnt attend GL meetings and Ive never ever seen whoever is SW coordinator. As to emailing any of the MT thats not an open discussion method with other club members is it?

Stuart.

And there you have it plain and simple.

[brian -r]

Gent's

This thread is rambling in circles and could go on for ever , having discussed the prospect of  having a members only section on here with the MT via Mick Forey  when we first started out, there is no way we can access the TRR members database for several reasons, so we are unable to provide that facility on here.  As per Cliff's post the only way this would be actioned on the club site is for a proposal to be raised at next years AMM. The only other way I can see for inter member discussion at present would  be via social media, not a popular choice with many I know.

In the meantime I would ask you all to be respectful of our current sponsor. 

Brian

[Chris Glasbey]

🙂

[james christie]

Excellent post by Stuart!

james

Edited May 21 by james christie

[Misfit]

21 hours ago, stuart said:

Dont lecture me about communicating through my group leader or the SW coordinator as our GL doesnt attend GL meetings and Ive never ever seen whoever is SW coordinator

Stuart, I won’t be lecturing anyone, you are aware how it works.  I do know what you want.  I’m just stating a fact.  The majority of voting members voted to favour non members,  with access to read and contribute on an open technical forum with no financial commitment, fine

This has resulted, as was clearly stated, in a loss to paid up TR members. They no longer have the benefit to communicate, by way of a post, on TR Register related business on this new open trforums.com  technical Forum. 

Resulting in a request to have a separate members only area on the sheep site, this will cost the The TR Register additional money, over and above the sponsorship, perhaps this and that this is no longer the TR Register run Forum has a baring on why we haven’t heard from the MT here?
 

 

Edited May 21 by Misfit

[Peter Cobbold]

12 hours ago, brian -r said:

Gent's

This thread is rambling in circles and could go on for ever , having discussed the prospect of  having a members only section on here with the MT via Mick Forey  when we first started out, there is no way we can access the TRR members database for several reasons, so we are unable to provide that facility on here.  As per Cliff's post the only way this would be actioned on the club site is for a proposal to be raised at next years AMM. The only other way I can see for inter member discussion at present would  be via social media, not a popular choice with many I know.

In the meantime I would ask you all to be respectful of our current sponsor. 

Brian

".... current sponsor".

As opposed to 'future sponsor' ?

Peter

[OldBob]

8 hours ago, Peter Cobbold said:

".... current sponsor".

As opposed to 'future sponsor' ?

Peter

I can't see that a change of sponsor would affect the MT response - might even worsen things.

In terms of asking the MT to provide a new, direct comunication facility, open for all members to read,  ask this:  would you pass someone a stick if you knew they would immediatley beat you with it ?   The current non-direct system of communications via GLs, RCs  & any other chinese whisper system you care to name is what they're used to (& possibly how they like it).

Shame about the long timescale involved but it seems the AMM route with a proposal of the implementation of something better is the option.

Bob

[Chris Hale]

42 minutes ago, OldBob said:

Shame about the long timescale involved but it seems the AMM route with a proposal of the implementation of something better is the option.

You could always go the EMM route

[brian -r]

In my last post I asked for you all to be respectful of  our sponsors, unfortunately Richard Crew-Reads reply to my input overstepped the mark on two occasions. One a reference to the MT and certain other states. The second stating that the moderators have been instructed by the MT not to allow any criticism of the club, this is not the case ,this was if you like a negotiated point regarding the removal of Alec's Inn and the free transfer of all the remaining forum to John Morrison with the agreement to fund the new forum. The above comments are somewhat  insulting to everyone concerned Including the moderators and the new forum administrating team.

For this reason alone the post has been removed, not for its overall sentiment.

To answer Pete C's question the use of current sponsor was merely a turn of phrase bearing in mind that in the event of any change in circumstance the financial burden would fall on the forum administration team, 

Brian

[Misfit]

Moderators are we, and have we including me been entering into TR Register car club related business?

Should this topic remain viewable?

Edited May 21 by Misfit

[brian -r]

Indeed this topic is right on the borderline of club related business but we are trying to allow a fair and balanced view without being heavy handed ,not an easy job.

If strays any further the moderating team will act

 

[Cew]

23 hours ago, Chris Glasbey said:

I will have to give some thought as to whether I renew, after 50 years of TRR membership

Chris

I posted on here on Monday about the email I received informing of the increase to £72 and queried why the TR website is displaying a renewal of £52 still, that post disappeared very quickly for some reason?. I have only been a member for 17 years ( although my profile on here states I joined in 2013 instead of 2008!) . My post outlined what benefits being a member brings me and I decided on balance nothing worthwhile anymore. As my renewal is 1st June I decided to forego renewal and as such bid you all a fond farewell.

[Chris Hale]

2 minutes ago, Cew said:

I posted on here on Monday about the email I received informing of the increase to £72 and queried why the TR website is displaying a renewal of £52 still, that post disappeared very quickly for some reason?. I have only been a member for 17 years ( although my profile on here states I joined in 2013 instead of 2008!) . My post outlined what benefits being a member brings me and I decided on balance nothing worthwhile anymore. As my renewal is 1st June I decided to forego renewal and as such bid you all a fond farewell.

Your profile on here relates to how long you have been a member of the forum nothing to do with when you joined the Register

[RogerH]

Dear Friends

I am posting this post to try and explain the unexplainable !!

The MT have actually stated what they were going to do yet you think it is a surprise when they do it.

Had the sub resolution been carried back in April (or March) it would have come into play at the start of the following month..

Exactly as is happ[ening now.

All other things stated by the MT were also explained and then actioned

 Cast your mind back to the AMM, there was a resolution for the MT to use your access to online, or proxy voting to make actual meetings quorate -  and you silly devils voted for it.

How many members were at the village hall last Sunday???

You support them and then you complain.

 

Roger  Tin hat firmly on

[Chris Hale]

Crikey Roger your post almost reads like you are paying the Management Team a compliment for delivering what the

8 minutes ago, RogerH said:

silly devils voted for it.

🤣

Tin hat on and running the opposite way to Roger

[OldBob]

3 hours ago, RogerH said:

Dear Friends

I am posting this post to try and explain the unexplainable !!

The MT have actually stated what they were going to do yet you think it is a surprise when they do it.

Had the sub resolution been carried back in April (or March) it would have come into play at the start of the following month..

Exactly as is happ[ening now.

All other things stated by the MT were also explained and then actioned

 Cast your mind back to the AMM, there was a resolution for the MT to use your access to online, or proxy voting to make actual meetings quorate -  and you silly devils voted for it.

How many members were at the village hall last Sunday???

You support them and then you complain.

 

Roger  Tin hat firmly on

Roger,

regardless of the AMM vote history, members are unhappy and that is the important point to note. 

Some are openly saying they intend to resign from the TRR - after decades of membership. Whether you believe this or not,  its still a valid sign of unhappy members.

I note at least 3 members posting in this thread are from the East Region.

Is 3 enough for this subject appear in your report to the MT automatically now?

Thx

Bob

 

[Ian Vincent]

Well they defo won’t be getting my money in August when my renewal is due. 

Rgds Ian

[Rod1883]

Where have my and Old Bob's posts discussing the percentages of votes for and against the subscription increase and how that might extrapolate to membership retention/renewals and new member recruitment gone? It was a simple factual discussion. 

[Ecosse]

Returning to my original post on this topic before thread drift caused the removal of some posts which breached forum guidelines, below is a letter I have submitted for publication in TR Action. For anyone in agreement with the sentiment please contact your GL, RC or the MT directly in the hope that something positive comes out of it. As far as I am aware all members of the TR Register are equal, whether they hold any position within the TRR or not. Please do not post anything that may be considered derogatory to other members of the TR Register, to do so would cancel the topic from any further discussion.

'As a long standing member of the TR Register of 52-years I am somewhat dismayed at the way in which recent major decisions affecting the long term future of the TR Register have been handled. It seems to me, and many others that I have spoken to, that some form of interface between the general membership and the Management Team would be advantageous. Proposals from the membership or the MT could be placed on some kind of forum which is visible to all members of the TRR to allow debate and to hopefully assist in reaching a consensus which is acceptable to all members.

I have exchanged correspondence on this subject with Mick Forey regarding the possibility of a Members Only Forum on the main TRR website, unfortunately this is not seen as a viable option unless a proposal is raised and passed at the 2026 AMM.

Perhaps an alternative solution could be found via TR Action as that is the only forum seen by all members of the TR Register, although I know of one instance where a long standing and high profile member of the TRR who does not receive TR Action due to some anomaly associated with the Sheep system.

It has been recognised by the MT that the increase in the Annual Subscription Fee could have handled more effectively by better communication, so perhaps it is time to take some action on this subject.' 

Cliff 

[modelbuilder]

I have been member of the Register for more years than I can remember but now due to my age I no longer own a TR, ( I owned 14 ). I had every intention of continuing my membership ad infinitum but because I gain no benefit from the club other than the magazine and now the membership price hike, I will NOT be renewing my membership. Also like many of us “old farts” I’m am not at all happily with the direction, or mis-direction the club is going, I fear that it has lost the confidence of a lot of its long standing membership.

My local Group, Cornwall, is thriving and a pleasure to be associated with and in my opinion would survive quite well on its own. However, that is my opinion and not one I have ever discussed with its members.

Rodders.