How can this be registered as a TR5?

[stuart]

Yet another 250 masquerading as a 5 Triumph TR5?

Stuart.

[Kiwifrog]

At least the seller is not trying to hide the actual identity of the car and admits it’s a 250, bizarre it actually registered as a 5 though

[trchris]

Well at least it’s not a modified 4a obviously who ever re- registered it didn’t advise dvla of the original model so some form of deception happened, and at the very least the body badges should be for a 250, when l registered mine ( with a lot of help from Graham) the v5 doesn’t record a model when l inquired about it they said as triumph doesn’t exist they can’t verify with them as l had had so much trouble l left it as everything else is recorded correctly and it’s a 250 and always will be

Chris

Edited May 28 by trchris

[Paul Hig]

Confused me when he says its correct "CP" engine, but engine number is "CC"?

 

Still nice looking motor 

[TR graham2]

CC would not be a Tr5 engine 

[trchris]

16 minutes ago, TR graham2 said:

CC would not be a Tr5 engine 

Graham you’re correct CC is for the American spec engine as fitted to 250s  and very early 6s as you say the 5 should be CP

Chris

[North London Mike]

Speaking personally, I'd rather have a 250, triple somethings and the lovely strips across the bonnet 👍

[Tim T]

Isn’t the most valuable/relevant document here, the Heritage Build Certificate or whatever its proper name is. As far as the factory record is concerned this car was never built. It is substantially modified from the original build spec and so one would question how it got its existing registration. LHD to RHD, engine numbers never relevant to the new designation, but more relevant, specified to a different model.

The reason for converting a 250 to a 5 spec with new badging, 5 engine spec etc is surely perceived value. Surely any prospective buyer will spot this. Have there been any instances of 250 conversions to 5 spec actually realising 5 prices. I realise that the main issue here is  that the DVLA are misleading any prospective future buyer by their ‘documented official description’.

in fairness the advertiser is not trying the conceal the specification.

As a slight aside, I have travelled to Calais twice on the Shuttle. In both instances when making the booking they ask for the car registration number and mine was not recognised. So, the second option is to enter the make and model. When Triumph was entered all models appear in the drop down menu except TR5. I questioned this on the phone with a real person who advised me that the drop down menu is linked to the DVLA database, so I was advised to enter it as a 4a.

Tim

 

 

 

[harlequin]

7 hours ago, North London Mike said:

Speaking personally, I'd rather have a 250, triple somethings and the lovely strips across the bonnet 👍

+1

 

[stuart]

10 hours ago, North London Mike said:

Speaking personally, I'd rather have a 250, triple somethings and the lovely strips across the bonnet 👍

I did have exactly that, funnily enough mine was in the same registration number series (FMA) hence why I immediately knew it was a 250 before even reading the rest of the advert.

Stuart.

 

[harrytr5]

20 hours ago, stuart said:

I did have exactly that, funnily enough mine was in the same registration number series (FMA) hence why I immediately knew it was a 250 before even reading the rest of the advert.

Stuart.

 

Very nice Stuart, do you miss it? I just love the bonnet stripes and really suits the 250.

Regards Harry

[Ralph Whitaker]

I think that it is a very good car for the money, basically a TR5 for TR4 money, and apart from the change to injection from carbs (which I would change to triple webbers). Would you rather spend £38,000 on a TR5, or £18,000 on this.

Ralph

[stuart]

1 hour ago, Ralph Whitaker said:

I think that it is a very good car for the money, basically a TR5 for TR4 money, and apart from the change to injection from carbs (which I would change to triple webbers). Would you rather spend £38,000 on a TR5, or £18,000 on this.

Ralph

No arguments about the price (Subject to a very good look at the chassis) its the fact that its masquerading as a 5 and registered as one too. I suspect it`ll get flipped in the trade and then sold on to an unsuspecting customer for a lot more money.

Stuart.

[stuart]

3 hours ago, harrytr5 said:

Very nice Stuart, do you miss it? I just love the bonnet stripes and really suits the 250.

Regards Harry

The stripes definitely make it stand out and although it was a bit rough mechanically when I bought it I was lucky enough to find all of the right bits to sort it out and being on triple Webers it was a rocket ship. It helped being ex Californian car from new. Yes I miss the howl on full chat but I still prefer the 4 cylinder cars.

Stuart.

Edited May 30 by stuart

[North London Mike]

On 5/29/2026 at 10:49 AM, stuart said:

I did have exactly that, funnily enough mine was in the same registration number series (FMA) hence why I immediately knew it was a 250 before even reading the rest of the advert.

Stuart.

 

😍 proper thing, much better than a dodgy 'fake TR5'

[Phil Read]

18 hours ago, North London Mike said:

😍 proper thing, much better than a dodgy 'fake TR5'

I have a dodgy 'fake TR5'. It was sold to me as a 250 but had 5 badges on it, I have since put 250 badges back on it. The V5c just names it as a Triumph. It was imported and restored by the previous owner and converted to RHD. I have no idea what the engine is as it has had a new block with no numbers and has been upgraded to TR5 spec with the lucas system.  The head number is 219018 which I cannot find in any application chart, perhaps its also dodgy 'fake engine'. What I do know is that the V5c had a first registration date which was before the build date and it was registered XYY332F (not FMA although I have an imported TR4 FMA32F). With a bit of research eg Heritage cert, Coventry Archives etc and a lot of help from Graham I found it was built in September 1968 and was registered in the UK in January 1969. So my 'fake' has its original UK registration number on it now, UDU436G.

I have just returned from the German TR register 50th Aniversary in Soltau where TR250s were in abudance. Some standard, some with triple carbs, some converted to PI, some electronic fuel injection. After the what I can only describe as a fantastic weekend, it was not a show, but a drivers weekend, I did a tour of the baltic coast with a friend in a TR6. We covered 1750 miles incident free often cruising at 130kph on the autobahn. 

My point is, it doesnt matter what 'fake' you are driving as long as you know its a 'fake' and you have fun. I wanted a car to drive, not to show and stick in a garage so I bought a 'fake TR5' for half the price of a 'genuine' TR5 at the time. As Ralph points out the one in question is good value for the money.

 

[stuart]

Well someone wanted it as it was sold on Monday afternoon.

Stuart.

Edited June 4 by stuart

[harlequin]

6 hours ago, Phil Read said:

 

I have just returned from the German TR register 50th Aniversary in Soltau where TR250s were in abudance. Some standard, some with triple carbs, some converted to PI, some electronic fuel injection. After the what I can only describe as a fantastic weekend, it was not a show, but a drivers weekend, I did a tour of the baltic coast with a friend in a TR6. We covered 1750 miles incident free often cruising at 130kph on the autobahn. 

My point is, it doesnt matter what 'fake' you are driving as long as you know its a 'fake' and you have fun. I wanted a car to drive, not to show and stick in a garage so I bought a 'fake TR5' for half the price of a 'genuine' TR5 at the time. As Ralph points out the one in question is good value for the money.

 

Well said Phil 

Our cars are for driving.

I'm quite envious of your trip to Soltau, it was on my wish list for this year but a family commitment had to come first, hopefully we'll get to next years German meeting 

George 

[dblenk]

3 hours ago, harlequin said:

Well said Phil 

Our cars are for driving.

I'm quite envious of your trip to Soltau, it was on my wish list for this year but a family commitment had to come first, hopefully we'll get to next years German meeting 

George 

get to Belgium but it might be sold out now

David

[North London Mike]

9 hours ago, Phil Read said:

I have a dodgy 'fake TR5'. It was sold to me as a 250 but had 5 badges on it, I have since put 250 badges back on it. The V5c just names it as a Triumph. It was imported and restored by the previous owner and converted to RHD. I have no idea what the engine is as it has had a new block with no numbers and has been upgraded to TR5 spec with the lucas system.  The head number is 219018 which I cannot find in any application chart, perhaps its also dodgy 'fake engine'. What I do know is that the V5c had a first registration date which was before the build date and it was registered XYY332F (not FMA although I have an imported TR4 FMA32F). With a bit of research eg Heritage cert, Coventry Archives etc and a lot of help from Graham I found it was built in September 1968 and was registered in the UK in January 1969. So my 'fake' has its original UK registration number on it now, UDU436G.

I have just returned from the German TR register 50th Aniversary in Soltau where TR250s were in abudance. Some standard, some with triple carbs, some converted to PI, some electronic fuel injection. After the what I can only describe as a fantastic weekend, it was not a show, but a drivers weekend, I did a tour of the baltic coast with a friend in a TR6. We covered 1750 miles incident free often cruising at 130kph on the autobahn. 

My point is, it doesnt matter what 'fake' you are driving as long as you know its a 'fake' and you have fun. I wanted a car to drive, not to show and stick in a garage so I bought a 'fake TR5' for half the price of a 'genuine' TR5 at the time. As Ralph points out the one in question is good value for the money.

 

Yes, well said Phil, if you know what you have, drive it and enjoy it .  My TR4 wouldn't know a matching munber if it ran over one, but I bought it to drive it.

The Germany trip sounds great, I'm just back from Germany myself, different event, amazing we didn't bump into each other 🤣. The Gemans do know how to throw a party !!

[harlequin]

22 minutes ago, dblenk said:

get to Belgium but it might be sold out now

David

To late for this year Dave, we are off to Scandinavia with the campervan.

I can highly recommend the German meetings  we have attended a couple and both were cracking events, we have also done Dutch meetings and again great times.  I mutch prefer doing these sort of things that are held in conference centres or in the case of the last German event we attended a ski resort.

George 

Edited June 4 by harlequin

[dblenk]

sounds good George Enjoy

Edited June 5 by dblenk